tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post4024573653724250034..comments2023-10-22T16:13:55.130+01:00Comments on My journey to black belt: The art and science of unbalancing.Sue Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16008609198511182782noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-77499842325048814992012-07-16T07:59:30.559+01:002012-07-16T07:59:30.559+01:00Thanks Journeyman. I'll go read your post on f...Thanks Journeyman. I'll go read your post on fascia...Sue Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16008609198511182782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-56068943725070428552012-07-14T04:19:03.885+01:002012-07-14T04:19:03.885+01:00Sue,
I will find the reference to a martial art ...Sue, <br /><br />I will find the reference to a martial art that relies heavily on a similar diagram to the one you posted.<br /><br />As far as fascia goes, it's the elastic like gel that surrounds our musculature. Point being, you can unbalance people using less strength and effort using a deft touch. I posted about it a bit if you'd like to know a bit more. Just type fascia in the search window.Journeymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146093025259375890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-33625840788987078812012-07-08T20:00:04.828+01:002012-07-08T20:00:04.828+01:00Charles, well, yes vertigo would unbalance you ;-)...Charles, well, yes vertigo would unbalance you ;-)<br /><br />Journeyman, Manipulating fascia? You may have to explain that one! Not sure if there is a karate system that uses the diagram but I think it's relevant to every martial art any way. Thanks for adding your thoughts..<br /><br />John, I deliberately didn't use the word kuzushi in case I misinterpreted it! I probably would have done too...I'll drop you an e-mail...Sue Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16008609198511182782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-47722987412969150082012-07-08T09:24:55.694+01:002012-07-08T09:24:55.694+01:00This is an area I've done a lot of work on. To...This is an area I've done a lot of work on. Topic too detailed to discuss in comments. Kuzushi is concerned with stability and forces. Kuzushi is not unbalancing. Nage waza and taoshi waza are about unbalancing, kuzushi is about destabilising in order to unbalance with nage waza or taoshi waza. Kano's happo no kuzushi if often referred to and is a simple diagramatic tool to indicate direction. That is all. There is no alchemy in this diagram. A person can be destabilised or unbalanced in each of these directions no matter the stance. It simply means more of less force is required to be applied in that direction. If you're interested in more on this subject, email me.<br /><br />JohnJohn Coleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634192254115557179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-53511061268939699882012-07-08T03:05:28.608+01:002012-07-08T03:05:28.608+01:00Hi Sue,
Unbalancing, as you said, is definitely b...Hi Sue,<br /><br />Unbalancing, as you said, is definitely both an art and a science. It is a core principle in much of what I study. <br /><br />I enjoyed your article and the comments. Unbalancing your opponent can be done physically and mentally. Overwhelming your opponent and using effective distraction techniques are great ways to 'uproot' them. <br /><br /> A couple comments. Up on the toes works extremely well. Many of our techniques are not over until our partner is up on them. <br /><br />The body does follow the head, no doubt about it. It also follows pain. This is why being an uke is so important, you must react as you really would under pain and attack.<br /><br />I also like the comment about moving one way intending to go the other. When a person strives to regain their balance, they overcompensate but stepping deeper or pulling back harder. It is, as you said, predictable, and it is also quite easy to use that energy against your opponent. <br /><br />Not all unbalancing requires lots of effort or strength. I've been playing a lot with manipulating fascia to unbalance. It doesn't take much to unbalance your opponent, and equally important, doesn't take much to cause the 'pull back' effect.<br /><br />I liked the diagram. Isn't there a Karate system based around that type of diagram for movement?<br /><br />I enjoyed your exploration of unbalancing. Thanks.Journeymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146093025259375890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-83000252521652025992012-07-06T23:25:22.119+01:002012-07-06T23:25:22.119+01:00Then there is vertigo ... arghhhhhThen there is vertigo ... arghhhhhCharles Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13812618556413423872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-74526251022275329022012-07-06T15:18:20.841+01:002012-07-06T15:18:20.841+01:00Jay, Hope it went well at the dojo - thanks for co...Jay, Hope it went well at the dojo - thanks for commenting.<br /><br />Felicia, Interesting idea of 'rocking' the opponent - I'll give that one a try, thank you<br /><br />Brett, "where the head goes the body will follow" - yes, I've heard that too. It's very disorientating to have your head moved around by someone so it's not surprising that it is a good technique for unbalancing an opponent. Thanks for adding to the discussion.Sue Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16008609198511182782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-69005279612808412962012-07-06T14:12:41.851+01:002012-07-06T14:12:41.851+01:00My unbalancing technique needs serious work - I...My unbalancing technique needs serious work - I've only been able to successfully do it against my sensei once. But one of the principles I've tried to adhere to is "where the head goes, the body will follow". <br /><br />I liked the graph you've got there, too. and your explanation was very apt to put into words a concept that for many is merely instinctual.The Strongest Karatehttp://www.kyokushinblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-74957067455185932052012-07-05T16:52:36.819+01:002012-07-05T16:52:36.819+01:00Hey there, Sue :-)
Judo uses lots of kuzushi (unb...Hey there, Sue :-)<br /><br />Judo uses lots of kuzushi (unbalancing). I worked once (and only once, so I am, by no means, a Judo or kuzushi expert, LOL) with a Judo practitioner at a seminar who had us work on unbalancing by disturbing an adversary's base/stance AND wrecking his/her vertical alignment at the same time by push-pulling. His theory was that sometimes, you have to first upset the balance a bit in the <i>opposite</i> direction of where you wanted to disrupt (i.e forward first if you want to unbalance them backwards) to be successful - especially if the adversary was bigger (taller or heavier) and/or stronger. He compared it to moving a refrigerator box: just pushing it will net you nothing, but rocking/tipping it forward first (say towards 4 first to offset towards 8 for instance) will disrupt balance right proper :-). What was cool about it was that it worked when the uke's center of gravity was higher than yours and even when it was lower. Suffice to say it was a very interesting seminar!<br /><br />Great post. Thanks for sharing :-)Feliciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09017194727231120284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361443425638782419.post-4473374448684391422012-07-04T20:36:05.076+01:002012-07-04T20:36:05.076+01:00Thanks for yet another useful and interesting post...Thanks for yet another useful and interesting post!<br /><br />I've been a karate student since September and have learned enough at this point to see the numerous flaws in my techniques and execution. Your 8 points diagram makes a great deal of sense to me, and I'm looking forward to trying it its principles at the dojo tomorrow!<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JayCreaky Karate Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504856106555016925noreply@blogger.com